>> the biggest deficit the country has is a leadership deficit and the truth is the wings of both parties don't represent america. we have a republic not representative to the public. that's one of the reasons i'm one of the national co-founders of no labels to get that over rhetoric. we do need more leadership over the president and have a plan and push forward with regard to a grand bargain strategy because we desperately need one. we need one in 2013. we may not have until 2015. i'm confident we don't have till 2017. >> coming off the fiscal cliff negotiations and the whole experience with that, is that realistic at all in 2013? >> i think it is realistic if you do three things, one, the president has to demonstrate much more leadership. he's the only one elected by the people. he's the chief executive officer. he's got the bully pulpit. secondly, we need to engage the american people with the facts, the truth, with the tough choices in a way forward. i've done it all over the country, all 50 states. they're way ahead of the politicians. they can handle the truth and willing to accept